| okay this is a convo i been having for the past 24 hours with some chick on a site. you tell me who's the moron, and i want you to be HONEST. even if you agree with her. she had something in her profile stating she was mad about separation of church and state and mad that they don't make kids say the pledge in school and where she lived they completely outted the pledge in school altogether, and mad at anyone who doesn't support the troops for any reason.
i read your profile. many things you say are true. and i agree. honestly, i don't agree with hardly anything our government does, or the president, i don't like why we're over there in the middle east, i don't agree with alot of hypocrisy going on within the system, but i DO support the troops. i don't support the REASON they're over there, but i hope they all come back safe and sound to their families. and on the subject of separation of church and state, i don't know how they let things roll where you are. i mean with the schools totally outting the pledge and whatnot. where i lived i got sent to the office and got in trouble when i didn't say the pledge. because it was against my views. religious and political. which is why i like the way they do it now, which is give the students the choice to say the pledge or not. based on their personal views. we're no longer forced to pray or not pray. it's all a decision. the "moment of silence" is a wondrous thing. so those that want to pray can pray, those that don't want to pray don't have to, just be quiet for those that want to. and with the pledge, i agree with your statement about not respecting the flag and all and might as well go to another country, but to be totally honest, i would move if i had the money. and i'm working towards it. i do plan on moving someday, because i'm man enough to take action for what i do and don't believe in. and props to you for speaking your mind about what you do and don't believe in too. even though we may not agree on everything, you're still an awesome person for speaking your mind and not taking any shiT from anyone. you know what you like and love and believe in and won't let anyone sway you. i'm the same way. and i say that even though people may not agree on particular views, the fact they're willing to speak their mind, and fight, defend, and die for what they believe in is always admirable no matter what the cause. move down here, they have joint church and state gatherings. but they modify it in a way to make it non-denominational as in it's your choice to view it as a joint thing or as a separate gathering altogether. just sounds to me like your individual state is being a 'tard about the whole thing. *LOL* but anyways, i hope i didn't make you mad. i'm just expressing myself, as you have. i took the time to read and consider all you've said, so hopefully you'll do the same for me. if i did offend you, i'm sorry, i had no intention of doing so. and if it affects anythign you think about me, i'm sorry. i didn't mean it. i still think you're awesome even though we may not agree on everything. stay awesome hun. toodles.
sent by ivanaufulich yesterday
i do not think you should have a choice whether to say the pledge or not.. if you dont believe in the pledge of allegiance to our flag then you are not a true american mr....you see i express myself in my profile you choose to read it or you dont..........i did not invite you or anyone to respond to me with different views for i dont care to hear them actually. when people write me and say that they should have the right to not say the pledge well it pisses me off. our countrys forefathers believed in God and that is what this country was founded on..
people like you have taken that away and I do not want to hear your views........
sent by kimmiikitten yesterday
if we shouldn't have a choice, then we really don't have the freedom to believe what we want, do we? and that would be un-american. if you express your views, but don't wanna listen to anyone else and say they don't have a right to speak freely because of certain beliefs, then that's not really having a freedom either. pilgrims migrated to america to escape religious persecution, because they were forced to believe what the government told them to believe religiously. yes, america was founded by the belief in god, but at the same time, the whole IDEA wasn't to found a country to believe in God, it was to found a country where you could believe what you want to believe. and almost saying we don't have a choice to say the pledge or to have the word God in the pledge or the entire idea of you being worked up over separation of church and state would limit those freedoms to believe what we want to believe wouldn't it? americans came to this country from europe to escape those who held similar beliefs that you do. so who's the real one at fault? i know you didn't invite me to express my views to you. i was just hoping you'd really try and see things from another standpoint as i did with you by taking the time to read your opinions. by ignoring everyone else's opinions that don't coincide with yours means you're not opening your mind to the endless possibilities that the founding fathers tried to establish. they didn't establish "this country is gonna be this and that because that's how we want it"....they established "this country will be the residents of people that can religiously and politcally do and say what they want, when they want, how they want it" and by being bitter with me as you were, you're saying that that's not true. that we almost have to believe in God because that's what the founding fathers believed. they wanted a country where we can believe what we want, not have to believe what they or everyone else believes. they tried to escape that. and this country is supposed to be a sancuary for those that have those beliefs that don't match the majority population. therefore, i have every right to stay in this country, but it's to please people like you that i'm man enough to remove myself from this country and work towards that goal so i won't constantly be hounded and verbally attacked by people that believe what you believe. i don't go around preaching that God doesn't exist or that we SHOULD have a separation of church and state or any of that, because i know i'll get nowhere with it. all i can do is express myself the best way i know how and go about my life. honestly, i don't care what the rules would have been in school. If they still said we HAd to say the pledge whether we want to or not, i would have continued not saying it because it went against my beliefs. political and religious. i don't care. i don't HAVE to leave. i don't HAVE to listen to anyone else for that matter. it's one of the freedoms being in this country gives me. but i listen anyway. i try to see things from everyone's standpoint to give everyone a fair chance to tell me what they believe. and by being narrowminded to someone who believes different than you, you're being just like the religious tyrants our forefathers tried to escape hundreds of years ago. so if you ask me, it's not people like us that need to leave. if you think things should be like that, then why don't you go to a country that MAKES their people into patriots and MAKES their people believe what they believe. but that wouldn't give freedom would it? your views only contradict themselves and only show your confusion as to what's really happening. just because you're older than me, doesn't mean you're any smarter or wiser. if you think about it, no one is rightly smarter or wiser than anyone else because we all have different life experiences and all handle the same situations differently. it's only natural that people won't believe the same things you do. and if you expect everyone to believe what you believe, you need to wake up. people having many different standpoint and views relating to similar subjects is ONE of the freedoms your God-fearing founding fathers made this country to be. don't blame me. blame them. they wanted to make a place where people could be free to do what they want when they want and not be forced to do anything they don't want to do. especially religiously or politically. and you feel that if someone doesn't believe religiously and politically what they believed, that they don't deserve those freedoms. it's no different than what they were trying to escape from. obviously you don't like how i think or what i'm saying, but you know alot of it is true. you may not admit it, but you know it is. i still respect you for being someone that believes so strongly in something and won't be swayed. for that i DO respect you. but showing a lack of respect for those that don't believe what you believe doesn't make sense to me. it shows you're narrowminded. and if everyone was narrowminded, this country would not evolve. people would not evolve. we'd be stuck back in the middle ages without openmindedness. because people took that chance to see things differently. it's trying to see things differently that leads to friendships, ending of racial hatred, religious hatred, great inventions, and progress in technology and economics. the way i see it, "people like me" are the only ones helping the world evolve and be one big planet where all races, cultures, and religions can live in peace because we all respect one another's beliefs and don't feel anyone should be forced to think one way or another. and we'll be a peaceful and prosperous planet. all i was ever asking of you was to respect me as a thinker and somewhat philosopher as i respect you. but hey, you don't have to. that's a freedom you have. and whether you do or not won't make me respect you any less.
sent by ivanaufulich 4 hours ago
see what people like you mess up is that i express my opinions on here on my profile. the reason is not to get into a debate with people like yourself. it is to show what i am looking for in a guy and what i believe. I want to meet a guy who feels like i do on the issues.. plain and simple. why you try and turn my personal profile into a launching site for your ;views is beyond me. you have your freedom to say what ;you want but you seem to also think that your right to free speach means i have to listen and no sir i dont.
I do not have to listen to the other side.. I choose not to and that is my freedom. I did not ask you to read my profile you chose to do so and you disagreed and instead of j;ust walking on you felt the need to try and sway my opinions and that is what is not fair. this is my profile.... that you read my views.. i even say hey dont contact me if you dont agree with me.. my right on my very own profile. so dont accuse me of stopping your freedom. you invaded mine. mr. i never said people cant express their views. i just do not have to listen to their views i have mine and i believe in mine.. plain and simple and people like you cannot accept that. you know when i glance at a profile and see stuff against the military i just walk on by.. i dont harass the person.. when are people like yourself going to realize that your * right to freedom of speech* does not mean that can push your views or make others listen. I dont want to listen to your crap.. got it? you not wanting to say the pledge i believe you should be shipped from our country and you dont like that oh well. i am not on here to please you.. why people like you are always trying to make people like me see your side i will never know.. i dont want to see your ;side for your side is wrong to me..
sorry you cant accept that and just move on your way.
s well why are people like me accused of not being open minded just cause we dont want to hear your views? I am open minded and well educated mr.. adn i believe what i believe and have heard your views every day from people like you and i simply dont agree..
i am not trying to make you agree iwith me. i simply say hey if you dont please do not bother me.. i am in no way narrow minded that is just what people like you say when your brain cannot handle that i dont see it the way you do.. that is silly to me..
you dont seem to understand.. that is on you. i am open minded and i as well stand firm on my opinions and no matter what you or anyone else says.. I will continue to do so. and i will as well say to you that you do not deserve that freedom of being here because you wont say the pledge of allegiance whether you like that or not. that is how i believe..
and no i dont believe any of what you say is true.. so dont tell me i do. I think all you say is a bunch of crap.. this country was founded on God.. plain and simple..] whether you want to admit that or not. it is not lack of respect for those that dont believe as i do either it is no respect for people who walk around enjoying their freedom who dont respect our country enough to simply say the pledge of allegiance.. it is no respect for idiots that think our whole country woudl ever agree on which war to fight or not.. so all you who protest the war are idiots as well that is why we have one in charge.. it may not be unanimously supported but aht would be impossible.. dont you get that if we only fought wars that everyone agreed upon wel our country would surely fall. and no people like you are screwing the world up and confusing things and causing our constitution to be constantly updated.. which is a bunch of crap as well. and if you are as intelligent as you seem to want me to think you are then you would not have taken the time to write me to try adn sway me for like i say at the very beginnning of my profile.. DONT CONTACT ME IF YOU DISAGREE WITH HOW I FEEL. that is not close minded,, it means i have no interest in a person that thinks that way.. why so we can fight constantly? silly
sent by kimmiikitten an hour ago
and i never said i was trying to make you believe what i believe and sway you from your own beliefs. so i don't feel it's right of you accusing me of doing so. you say you're openminded, yet you openly admit you have no care to listen to anyone that doesn't believe what you believe. which is a narrowminded trait. you're only contradicting yourself. i never said you HAD to listen to me, i believe my words were "i took the time to read and consider what you said, so i hope you'll do the same for me"....i HOPE you do the same, not you HAVE to do the same. i wish someone would ship me off. i'd welcome it. but is the government gonna help me do that? no. they're gonna tell me "you wanna leave, you work for it" which is what i'm trying to do. i read YOUR newspapers, watch YOUR tv, abide by YOUR laws, only because people like me have no say in a country that claims to be "free". no, no one forces anyone else to listen, i wasn't forced to listen to you, you aren't forced to listen to me. but i listen to yuo anyway. because i'm always open to expanding my horizons. i don't agree with your beliefs, probably never will, but it doesn't mean i can't try to see how and WHY you may think and believe what you believe. which in turn makes me the better person for doing so. because that's something called being just and fair. which if i'm not mistaken, is something this country is supposed to be founded on and both of which you haven't shown me at all. and i wish i knew more of these people that express the same views as i do as you claim. i haven't met them. i'm about the only person i know that thinks the way i do. everyone i know thinks like you do. even my own family and few friends. if you'd be so kind, i'd greatly appreciate you introducing me to some of these people so then maybe i can have someone to actually conversate with rather than argue with. i had no intention of arguing, only expressing myself. and you choose to read what i send, even though you say you care nothing for it. again, contradictory. but i guess i've said my piece. if you want me gone, pay for my plane ticket to britain. i'll gladly take it and even pay you back. but until then, we're both gonna be here so we might as well have to TRY and find a common median and get along as i try to do with everyone. but then there's always those like you that don't care for getting along with anyone just because they don't think like you. you tell me what's wrong with that picture. heh. but anyways. as i said before, you still have my respect for defending what you believe. and you still keep my yes because this IS a site to rate who's hot and who's not and regardless that we disagree on many things, i still think you're gorgeous and won't let this get in the way of thinking so. i guess this is it. farewell and take care.
sent by ivanaufulich 12 minutes ago |
